INTERVIEW WITH
SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI ON THE TOPIC OF SIKHS AND MEAT
Question: Guru Ji please tell me can
Sikhs eat meat?
Answer:
ਕਬੀਰ ਜੋਰੀ ਕੀਏ ਜੁਲਮੁ ਹੈ ਕਹਤਾ ਨਾਉ ਹਲਾਲੁ ॥
ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਐ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੮੭॥
kabeer joree kee-e zulam hai, kehta naa-o halaal.
ਦਫਤਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮਾਂਗੀਐ ਤਬ ਹੋਇਗੋ ਕਉਨੁ ਹਵਾਲੁ ॥੧੮੭॥
kabeer joree kee-e zulam hai, kehta naa-o halaal.
daftar
lekha maangee-ai, tab
hoe-go koun havaal. ||187||
"O Kabeer! To forcefully kill something is
tyranny (cruelty), even if it considered acceptable (by others). Think, what
will be their state when they have to go to God’s Court and God asks for the
account of their actions? (187)"
(SGGS - Ang 1374)
Question: But my friends told me that I
should eat meat because it is good for me and will make me strong. Is it that
bad if I have meat now and again?
Answer:
ਕਬੀਰ ਖੂਬੁ ਖਾਨਾ ਖੀਚਰੀ ਜਾ ਮਹਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਲੋਨੁ ॥
ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥
kabeer khoob khaanaa keecharee, jaa mehi amrit lo-n.
ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥
kabeer khoob khaanaa keecharee, jaa mehi amrit lo-n.
heraa
rote kaarne, galaa
kattaavai koun. ||188||
"O Kabeer! The dinner of beans and rice is
excellent, even if it is just flavoured with salt. For the sake of having meat
with one’s bread, who would be willing to have the same fate as the animal (when paying
off Karmic debt in the next life)? (188)"
(SGGS - Ang 1374)
Question: But Guru Ji, why can't Sikhs
eat meat?
Answer:
ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਕਿਸੈ ਜੀਅ ਪਤਿ ਸਿਉ ਘਰਿ ਜਾਵਉ ॥
dookh na de-ee kissai jeea, pat sio ghar jaavo.
dookh na de-ee kissai jeea, pat sio ghar jaavo.
"Do not (intentionally) cause suffering to any
living being, and your soul shall go to its true home with honour and respect."
(SGGS - Ang 322)
Question: That's all good, but I heard
Sikhs have their own religious way of slaughtering animals called ‘Jhatka’. So
is this okay to eat?
Answer:
ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥
ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥
jeea badh-hu su dharam kar thaap-hu,
ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥
jeea badh-hu su dharam kar thaap-hu,
a-dharam
kahahu kat bhaa-ee.
aapas
ko muni-var kar thaap-hu,
kaa
kou kasaa-ee. ॥2॥
"You kill living beings and call it a
righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action? If (being cruel and unnecessarily killing
animals) you are a religious person, then who do will we call a butcher? (2)"
(SGGS - Ang 1103)
Question: But Guru Ji, some animals
like chickens are not intelligent animals, so is it okay for me to eat them?
Answer:
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
ਜਉ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਖੁਦਾਇ ਕਹਤ ਹਉ ਤਉ ਕਿਉ ਮੁਰਗੀ ਮਾਰੈ ॥੧॥
jou
sabh mehi eyk kudhaa-e kehat hou,
tou
kyo murgee maarai. ||1||
"If in all is the one God, then why kill a
chicken? (1)"
(SGGS - Ang 1350)
Question: Some people say that eating
meat does not affect them. Guru Ji, is that true?
Answer:
ਗਲਾ ਉਪਰਿ ਤਪਾਵਸੁ ਨ ਹੋਈ ਵਿਸੁ ਖਾਧੀ ਤਤਕਾਲ ਮਰਿ ਜਾਏ ॥
ਭਾਈ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ਸਚੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਕਾ ਜੇਹਾ ਕੋਈ ਕਰੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਕੋਈ ਪਾਏ ॥
galaa upar tapaavas na hoee,
vis khaadhee tat-kaal mar jaa-e.
ਭਾਈ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ਸਚੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਕਾ ਜੇਹਾ ਕੋਈ ਕਰੇ ਤੇਹਾ ਕੋਈ ਪਾਏ ॥
galaa upar tapaavas na hoee,
vis khaadhee tat-kaal mar jaa-e.
bhaa-ee
vekhahu niaa-o sach karte kaa,
jehaa koee kare tehaa koee paa-e.
jehaa koee kare tehaa koee paa-e.
“Justice is not passed on mere words; if someone
eats poison it will end up killing them. O brother! Look at the justice of the
True Creator; as people act, so they are rewarded.”
(SGGS – Ang 308)
Question: But Guru Ji we are supposed
to be ‘Singhs’. ‘Singh’ means lion and lions eat meat, so what do you say to
that?
Answer:
ਸਿੰਘਚ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਜੋ ਨਰੁ ਜਾਨੈ ॥
ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਠਗਦੇਉ ਬਖਾਨੈ ॥੨॥
singhach bhojan jo nar jaanai.
ਐਸੇ ਹੀ ਠਗਦੇਉ ਬਖਾਨੈ ॥੨॥
singhach bhojan jo nar jaanai.
aise
hee ttag-deo bakhaan-ai. ||2||
“If someone considers a (blood-thirsty) lion’s food
as the diet of humans, then they are a master of deception. (2)”
(SGGS - Ang
485)
Question: Guru Ji some people don’t eat
meat and think they are superior to meat-eaters and put others down. Is just
being vegetarian alone good enough to get to God?
Answer:
ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
maas maas kar moorakh jhagarrai,
maas maas kar moorakh jhagarrai,
giaan
dhiaan nehee jaanai.
"If someone has no spiritual wisdom and does
not meditate upon God, then arguing about meat is foolish.”
(SGGS - Ang 1289-1290)
Question: Guru Ji some people say just
being vegetarian alone makes them religious. But they don’t do religious
actions and do bad things. So what do you say about that?
Answer:
ਹਕੁ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸੁ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸੁ ਗਾਇ ॥
ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥
hak paraayaa naanakaa, us soo-ar us gaa-e.
ਹਕੁ ਪਰਾਇਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਉਸੁ ਸੂਅਰ ਉਸੁ ਗਾਇ ॥
ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਹਾਮਾ ਤਾ ਭਰੇ ਜਾ ਮੁਰਦਾਰੁ ਨ ਖਾਇ ॥
hak paraayaa naanakaa, us soo-ar us gaa-e.
gur
peer haamaa taa bhar-e, jaa
murdaar na khaa-e.
“To take what rightfully belongs to another is as
serious as eating pork (for Muslims) or eating beef (for Hindus). Our Guru, our
Spiritual Guide, stands by us, only if we do not eat dead carcasses (i.e. stealing and taking what belongs to others is just as sinful as eating meat).”
(SGGS – 140)
Question: Guru Ji can you make it clear
please… So are you saying we should have a cruelty-free diet but also make sure
our behavior and actions are good and reflect that of a man of God?
Answer:
ਜੇ ਰਤੁ ਲਗੈ ਕਪੜੈ ਜਾਮਾ ਹੋਇ ਪਲੀਤੁ ॥
ਜੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਵਹਿ ਮਾਣਸਾ ਤਿਨ ਕਿਉ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਚੀਤੁ ॥
ਜੇ ਰਤੁ ਲਗੈ ਕਪੜੈ ਜਾਮਾ ਹੋਇ ਪਲੀਤੁ ॥
ਜੋ ਰਤੁ ਪੀਵਹਿ ਮਾਣਸਾ ਤਿਨ ਕਿਉ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਚੀਤੁ ॥
je
rath lag-ai kaparrai, jaamaa
ho-e paleet.
jo
rath pee-vehi maansaa, tin
sio nirmal cheet.
"If one's clothes are stained with blood, the
garment becomes polluted. Those who drink the blood of others (whether of dead
animals or living humans, i.e. causing harm to others) - how can such people's
consciousness be pure?"
(SGGS - Ang 140)
Question: Guru Ji, I understand now
that a Sikh doesn't eat anything that causes
unnecessary suffering and cruelty to animals whether it be meat, fish, or eggs. I now know a Sikh should choose to eat a cruelty-free, compassionate, spiritual and healthy diet that helps us to connect with
God. But please clear, if just becoming a vegetarian doesn't make a person
religious, then what does make someone ‘religious’?
Answer:
ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤ ਮਿਟੇ ਸਭਿ ਭਰਮਾ ॥
ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈ ਊਤਮ ਧਰਮਾ ॥
har har karat mitt-e sabh bharmaa.
ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਲੈ ਊਤਮ ਧਰਮਾ ॥
har har karat mitt-e sabh bharmaa.
har
ko naam lai oo-tam dharma.
"Chanting the Name of God all doubts are cleared. Connecting with ‘Naam’ (the Name of God) is
the highest religion."
(SGGS – Ang 874)
Question: Guru Ji do you have any last
message before ending this interview?
Answer:
ਜੋ ਜੀਇ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਉਗਵੈ ਮੁਹ ਕਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਵਾਉ ॥
ਬੀਜੇ ਬਿਖੁ ਮੰਗੈ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ॥੨॥
jo jee-i hoe su ug-vai, muh kaa kehi-aa vaa-o.
ਬੀਜੇ ਬਿਖੁ ਮੰਗੈ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਵੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਨਿਆਉ ॥੨॥
jo jee-i hoe su ug-vai, muh kaa kehi-aa vaa-o.
beeje
bikh maNgai amrit, vekhahu
e-hu niaa-o. ||2||
“Whatever is in someone’s heart, it ends up coming
out and being seen; just talk alone is useless. Look at the justice of humans!
They sow the seeds of poison (i.e. thinking and acting in a way that causes
harm to their soul) and yet demand the output of their actions to be ‘Amrit’
(i.e. which brings life and positivity to the mind and soul). (2)”
(SGGS – 474)